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The #DivasThatCare movement is a dynamic force of positivity and progress. It's a collective of empowered women united by a shared vision: to pave the way for future generations. These women are not only breaking barriers—they’re also committed to equipping the next generation with the tools, resources, and confidence to lead with purpose.
By discovering and defining your purpose, you unlock the power to uplift those around you and contribute to a better world—every single day.
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Your Body Is Speaking, Are You Listening?
What happens when conventional medicine has no answers for your chronic health problems? For Kathy Heinsel, debilitating autoimmune symptoms led her down an unexpected path toward profound healing—and eventually to helping others transform their own health challenges through the power of subconscious dialogue.
During this heartfelt conversation with Candace Gish on the Divas that Care Network, Kathy reveals how her journey through daily hives, hormone imbalances, and digestive issues eventually led her to discover the Lifeline Technique. This integrated approach combines over fifteen different healing modalities to address the root emotional causes behind physical symptoms.
Kathy's breakthrough moment came in a bookstore when, despite having just pennies in her account, she felt inexplicably drawn to a book about love and gratitude. This seemingly random choice led her to training that would transform both her health and her life's purpose. The core revelation? Our symptoms aren't enemies to be fought but messages from our protective subconscious—"gifts in strange wrapping paper" that, when approached with love rather than resistance, can guide us toward genuine healing.
Through powerful examples from her own life, including her experience as a caregiver for her grandmother, Kathy demonstrates how bringing "infinite love and gratitude" to our challenges changes everything. She explains why beliefs like "I'll always fail" aren't arbitrary but protective mechanisms that once served us but now need upgrading—like outdated software running our lives.
For parents, caregivers, and anyone struggling with chronic conditions or emotional patterns that won't shift, this episode offers a refreshingly different approach. Rather than fighting against yourself or your symptoms, Kathy shows how leaning into challenges with curiosity and compassion reveals the beautiful gift waiting on the other side.
Connect with Kathy through Facebook, Instagram (@kathyheinsel), or her website naturallykathy.com to discover how subconscious dialogue might transform your own health journey.
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Speaker 3:Well, good morning divas. You've just tuned in to the Divas that Care Network. My name is Candice Gish and I'm the host of this show. I am so excited that you've all tuned in. We're going to be introducing to you a brand new diva to our family.
Speaker 3:I'm really excited. She's going to be sharing some things that she does in her practice, her life, and it's going to be so much fun. I always enjoy this part of the show is really talking to our brand new guests that come on our show, because it's exciting. We get that excitement of getting to know somebody, and so I really want you to listen to her. I know that from what I've had the opportunity to chat with her that she will be a guest on our show again, so you're going to just love her and let's get started. Well, welcome to our show. Kathy, I'm going to apologize because I did not pronounce your name earlier, but it's Heinsel.
Speaker 4:Heinsel, I'm sorry what was that. Hardly anyone gets it right. That's totally fine. I think of like Hein's ketchup. We get all kinds of things in the mail, hein, john, but it's Heinso, heinso.
Speaker 3:Oh, there we go. It's a beautiful name and I do apologize. I was like oh my goodness, I do apologize. I was just calling you Kathy the whole time.
Speaker 4:Well, kathy welcome to the.
Speaker 3:Divas that Care. I am so excited to have you today.
Speaker 4:Thank you. I'm so grateful and honored to be here this is exciting.
Speaker 3:We're going to have a great call today. I know that you've got some great things to share with our listeners today. Kathy, can you spend, let's say, five minutes here? Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 4:We're so excited to get to know you. Yeah, so I wow, where do where do we start? Right? So I'm single. I this is, I'm in my mid thirties. This is not where I thought I would be at this time in my space in terms, you know, watching all my friends grow up and have families and married and all these different things, and I had a whole bunch of gifts in strange wrapping paper, as Dr Weissman calls it that. I have had a lot of health challenges growing up and some autoimmune things and I've kind of always been a caregiver and taking care of everyone else and you know, you always learn through those experiences and so while I've worked on finding the answers and solutions for myself, that's led me to some really beautiful tools and life-changing experiences, and so that's kind of what I do is I pay forward the things that I've learned and that's like core to who I am, I love. I can find passion and excitement and good things in almost anything and anyone. I always have. I've always seen beauty.
Speaker 4:It's funny, I'm like a sunset chaser in a sunrise I look to capture the moment and just finding beauty anywhere around me and just taking it in, and nature is something that speaks to my heart, so I love being out in nature as much as possible.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I've struggled with a lot of autoimmune things and so I had to gather some tools of learning alternative things. My mom went through a similar route and we almost lost her quite young, I remember several times and she turned to herbs and cleanses and different things that worked for her at that time and when the medical world didn't really work for her and they didn't know what to do for her. And so I had similar path in college and was so sick and they're like we don't know what to do. So we're going to give you the medication we give AIDS patients because your immune system is so crazy and we need to suppress it. And I was so sick and I just remember at one point, with hives every day and with massive stomach issues and all kinds of hormone problems and just feeling crazy and depressed and all kinds of things, and I just remember thinking this is nuts.
Speaker 4:I just don't want to do this anymore. And that's when my pivot turned, where I also remembered my mom, you know, because I was pretty young, so I had kind of lived my own space and get into college and eat whatever and like, woohoo, you're right, freedom, staying up late and chatting with friends, and so I had to relearn some things. It was like, oh yeah, back to basics, like mom changed nutrition and she worked on some other things that were just whole foods and other things, and then I found oils and foot reflexology. And then I found the lifeline technique, which is really just about the subconscious mind and how, all these things that I had stuffed for so many years and taking care of everyone else, and that all that was manifesting through my physical body. And I had to get to the root of a lot of that and work on healing the underneath scars and wounds and the things that I had avoided for so long because I didn't know what to do with them.
Speaker 4:And once I finally started to address that, then things really started to change in my life. And so that's what I love doing I get to work with people who are wounded, who have trauma, who have any kind of emotional, physical challenge and they're kind of similar, you know, in the path, where they've tried a lot of different things and they don't know what works because they've tried everything, and so working with the mind and the emotions and the subconscious is what starts to shift life for them too. So I love it. Yeah, I'm a modge podger.
Speaker 3:I like a lot of things you can put a pin in something and I'll find something that's awesome. Well, isn't that amazing? You know, that's where we always start, and we've had different guests on here too. I want to congratulate you, because it's in the fact that you have that great attitude that I love the positivity that you have and you've seen the beautiful. I know that myself. I'm like I get so excited when I look in my yard and I'm like there's a butterfly on my flower.
Speaker 3:You see those rainbows, and it's just those moments that, it's just that childlike enthusiasm and it does. It makes everything just feel so much better and my kids always laugh because I really they throw back my words at me. They're like mom, don't sweat the small stuff, you know like, just just live your life, just enjoy it and I'm like I talk too much apparently because, now my kids throw it back at me.
Speaker 3:so you know, I love that. I love that you have that, that inner gratefulness, that inner focus and beauty, and it's just a great thing just to listen to your voice here, and I do. I'm listening to your story here and I'm excited because I do not know what a Lifeline Practitioner is and I just want to kind of throw go back a little bit into that story. Can you tell me a little bit about that? Because, as listening to you, I'm excited to learn more about that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so it's wow. There's a lot of different tools and modalities out there. You know, there's truth in many, many different ways and when people are seeking answers they have downloads and a lot of them kind of cross paths. And the Lifeline technique is something where it combines so many different modalities and I remember I was at such a low point and I was doing some foot zoning. I had been working for an adoption agency, I was going to go into social work and I was like this is just not my path. I love the work, I love being in with people and love working with the moms and the babies and the families.
Speaker 4:It was such a beautiful time to connect all of them. And yet I looked at the social workers and saw how messy life was for them you know, being the person that always gave to everyone else and yet their lives were falling apart and they were really not happy. And I just started questioning you know, is this really the best way that I have to sacrifice my health and myself in order to help other people? And I just felt like my heart was calling me to a better way. And not that social work is bad or wrong. It just was not my path. And because I know my personality, I would have given everything to myself and I would have not been able to have that balance of showing up present to them and for myself. And so I took a sabbatical and I went to move in with my mom at a time, and so I was jobless for a while, and I'd never had a problem finding a job before. So I had put out resumes all the time.
Speaker 4:Every day I talked to many people. I went to look for work and I could not find anything. And I remember I did a few people foot zoning just here and there to kind of just keep my head above water. And I remember going, did a few people foot zoning just here and there to kind of just keep my head above water. And I remember going to the bookstore at the time and just waiting for the past time before my next client, before I went over to their place, and then I was just kind of in a bad space, in a headspace, bad headspace, and I was looking at nutrition books and health because I had, you know, at least still worked on that side of things and control and like I will manage this part of my life. But so I remember looking at those recipe books and I just remember hearing the voice like go look at the other wall, and I was like no, you know, I'm not going to listen to you Because to me you know.
Speaker 4:It was like, okay, God, like you're a man, you put me here in this space. It was like, okay, god, I'm mad you put me here in this space. You had my heart, have this call and this passion, and yet I wasn't finding answers and I was frustrated and had no money and was really stressed out. And so I was like no forget you.
Speaker 4:I wish I listened to you now and it was like no, go look at the other wall. And I literally so I did, and I had one of those, you know, it's just so like ha ha, you know cliche, but I, literally, when I went to go look at the other wall, the only because love and gratitude to me was a complete cycle. You know, love is free from God, from the universe, and it's something that's unconditional and it's divine and it's who we are and gratitude is our recognition of that love. And so to me it was like whoa, whoever wrote this, like he's got it, this is it. You know, this is a cycle. And so I took it home I had bought, ended up buying it and had like 13 cents in my bank account. It was really. I was like, okay, I have a sense, at least I can get gas, I can get home, and um, yeah.
Speaker 4:So I read it that night and I was just amazed and he talked all about the science, the science of mind, how the subconscious work, the role of the conscious mind, how our subconscious is designed to protect us, the stories that we tell ourselves, how all the different glands, and he talks about the five elements, the Chinese five elements. He talks about Louise Hay's works. He works with the chakras and all of it is very, very grounded, because I had a very logical mind and that was foot zoning for me even though there's a lot of energy that's in that now and a lot of people that are more familiar with it and it works with meridians and and where it used to be, woo, it's kind of more accepted. But for me that was like this is the physical body that we're working on. So it worked beautiful for my mind and where I was at, and I just knew that I needed to check it out.
Speaker 4:So so I got online, I looked up his website and he had a training like two weeks later in Sedona and I I knew I was going to be there and literally the the money came together. It just fell on my lap. I had a friend uh, that ironically in that area that I had moved. That was like you know, you have to go and wrote me a check and off. I went. So, yeah, and so it all just came together.
Speaker 4:And when I got there I was like, oh my gosh, what did I get myself into? It was talking about, you know, I had no idea about even with fizzling. I had no idea about the chakras and the five elements and everything. And the song that he had Sean Galloway sing at the first and it was the calling and it was, you know, we called the angels of the earth and it was in. It was a beautiful chant, but at the first I was like, oh my gosh, like this is insane. And I remember just thinking like am I in the right place? But when Darren started talking and and explaining how it worked and how our bodies and our brains and minds all work together and how the reactions happen through our five senses and we've taken all that information it just like fell like home.
Speaker 4:And I haven't stopped using that tool since and it's kind of the vehicle that I use. I've learned a lot of different things since, but it combines NLP, it combines tapping, it combines reframing, psychonumerology, which is just a fancy name for guided visualization. It uses over, I think, 15, 18 different modalities and it just adds to it. It's a vehicle that you can keep adding whatever tool you learn to it and it's just basically having a dialogue with the subconscious mind, and so that's what I do. I love it. It's beautiful oh wow.
Speaker 3:Well, that is just inspiring, because I love that we have so many amazing women come on the show and they talk about the different things they do, and I love it. I think it's just inspiring. It's inspiring for me and it's inspiring for the others. I know that a lot of people come on to our well, a lot of our listeners because we do get a lot of messages and they're individuals that have had a lot of health challenges and it's not something that is new out there. You know, I think it's something that maybe people don't talk about as much as they maybe should, because they're afraid of what people are going to think when they're like. Well, I think I'm complaining because I don't feel good and I don't know how to fix this.
Speaker 4:And I want to talk to you a little bit about that, because you know, you've lived that life. How do you work with somebody that is brand new, that is scared, that is scared to. You know, try another person, try another thing, because they're a space where they're hopeless, because they've tried a lot of things, but there's something that's magical and if they're willing to try a session and if they're willing to have a dialogue, it actually transforms. Naturally, I'm going to fail right. That's a life belief. That's something that isn't just in this moment. It's happened many times before and so when we start to look at, are you ready to actually look at that belief? Do you want to challenge that? Do you want to shift that? Because you can change it. It's just a belief. It doesn't mean that it's true. It's something that we bought into, likely from our past and growing up, because our parents or teachers or leaders, or whoever it was that was in our life, didn't know how to show love to us in the way that we needed or express or whatever. We picked up, you know that we were a failure or we were wrong, or that nothing worked for us, or anything like that was the story that we latched onto and then, of course, because that's our story, that's what we send out and that's what we create, and it tends to self-manifest, and so what's really beautiful is that, if they're willing to just try it, the lifeline is something that uses the phrase infinite love and gratitude. And when you bring love to something and you look at it and this is something that I will always, forever be grateful for that I learned and that I've been able to use with all the coaching that I've done is that when you look at the failure as a gift, as something that and it just makes me cry because that gift is what is protecting them them. So it's not wrong, failure is not wrong, it's not a bad thing. And when you address someone with so much love, saying failure has worked for you in a really profound way, in a subconscious way, that is keeping you safe, and let's find out why that is, because there's a reason and it's a beautiful reason, but your subconscious has confused that, thinking that that's what's keeping you safe, and that's an old belief, that's an old paradigm, it's something that's old software and we just need to upgrade it. We need to change that belief, because that doesn't work for you anymore, right, it doesn't work for you, being the adult that you are now, because every time that you're going into failure you're going into little kid again and you're living from the past and we're not there anymore. But we want to take so much love to that space because the subconscious is really just designed to protect us. So why would we ever get mad or hate or reject or, you know, get frustrated at something that is trying to help us?
Speaker 4:And I have to remind myself because I still have flare-ups when I get stressed by being a caregiver for my grandma with the last six years, almost six years of my life, and it was the hardest thing I've ever done. I love, love, loved the experience in a lot of ways. I learned so much about myself and it was the most stressful thing for me and stressful environment because she was so much in a space of fear and worry and concern and just just this heavy, heavy energy all the time and I didn't do very well in it and so I had a lot of flare-up come back and I tended to you know, I think heavens. I had sessions and I worked with a person every week with my own stuff so that I could stay in that space, or else I don't think I would have been there that long. So I still. I'm human, you know. I have my own beliefs, I have my own long.
Speaker 4:But so I still I'm human, you know. I have my own beliefs, I have my own things, but I'm willing to work on them consistently and I'm willing to shift those that I will. And whenever anything physical comes up, I always look at okay, what are you teaching me? You know, thank you, and rather than push it away, rather than hate it, rather than reject it, I love on it.
Speaker 4:And that can seem really counterproductive or counterintuitive for a lot of people because they think, well, why would I ever love this disease or why would I ever love this physical problem? And that's not what I'm saying. It's more about loving that there's a reason why this is happening and there's a gift in it and my subconscious is just reacting from something and if I can love that, then it can heal and then it can transform and so things like headaches and backaches and things like that they just don't stick around anymore, because I'm willing to have a conversation with them and say, okay, what's going on internally that my body is resisting or reacting with and creating this headache or creating this pain or creating this symptom or this flare up, you know, and then let's work on that and bring so much love and gratitude for that space to be able to shift it. And it does. It's just, it's magical.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness, and it is, isn't it? It's completely magical, and I like how you're saying that you know working with. I think caregivers need to look after themselves more and I think that they're so scared that if they take time for themselves that they're going to look, others are going to think well, they can't handle it, they can't do this. And I think, like yourself, when you ask for help or you're seeking help, at that time, I think, as a caregiver, you're going to be even better for the person that you're looking after.
Speaker 3:And I think that goes for moms too. A lot of the ladies that listen to our show, I know are young moms and with young kids at home, and you know, I wish somebody would have told me when my children were young that it's okay to go and have time to myself and to to do things for myself to make me a better person, because if I'm feeling better, I'm going to be a better mom, I'm going to be a better provider for my family, and it's taken me years to realize that, and what you're saying, I think, is going to resonate with a lot of our listeners today. So I just want to take a moment just to thank you for that, because I really think that what you've done is provide an example to our listeners today. So thank you on that.
Speaker 4:Thanks, yeah, absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I see a lot of women burnout and we were never meant to do it alone. Here in the States and different countries, we have the I have to be superwoman and do everything, and it never was the case. You look at many different cultures and it is a community effort and there's women helping other women and we just don't have that in our separate homes. Here, you know, we think that we have to do it all and that was never, never the intent for our emotional and mental and how we work together.
Speaker 3:It's just with a belief we all we just in will that we need each other, we need that support network.
Speaker 3:And yeah, I love that, that analogy, because it seems like you get overwhelmed and we just don't want to feel, show the weakness and, um, you know what, we're not weak if we ask for help. I think we're even more empowered when we ask for help. We just absolutely we just need it and uh, and I love that you're you're sharing that with us, because it's it's something that I think needs to be talked about more in society. Uh, we can't be expecting these women that we're raising and that are coming into the world or that are having children of their own, that they have to do everything themselves. And I just truly love it when others say that you know what? Let's link arms, let's work together. You know what that's? Just, it doesn't take one person, it takes a community to raise a child and to be supportive of one another, and that's the same with us I'm going to be. I want to ask you, too, because I know our listeners are. We have global listeners.
Speaker 3:Do you do webinars? Do you work, or mostly work, on the phone or one-on-one with people? Like how is it that you've set up your business?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a great question. I have done, I guess, not webinars, but I've done group sessions. I've done one-on-one. I work with people in different countries. I work yeah, I have people all over the globe as well. I do have some programs and things, occasionally every quarter different things, so if they connect to my website, then they should be able to find when the next one is on. But, yeah, I do offer. I do offer a lot of different tools and and things, and especially Facebook, and I'm I'm a newbie as far as, like the technology website. I'm, I can do the technology. It's just not something that my. My gift is. My gift is working with people. I've been a speaker and trainer, and so I I like to get up in front of people and and work with people, really dive into the heart of things. But I'm working on expanding that, and so that's something that I've been really growing myself right to start to bring this information to more and more people. So, yeah, I have done several different ways.
Speaker 3:Well, that's exciting, because I know that there's some excitement going on. I'm getting some texts right now about it. Um, kathy, okay, so how do our listeners, uh, get a hold of you? How is it that they connect with you? I know that you said that you're kind of just growing in the social media and doing all this. How can our listeners get a hold of you so that they can either have you come and speak at an event of theirs or they can connect with you one-on-one so that you can work with them?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so they're welcome to reach out. I'm on Facebook, naturally. Kathy is my business one. You can find my personal one, kathy Heinsohn I think I'm like the only Heinsohn at least Kathy Heinsohn and Instagram is Kathy Heinsohn and my website is naturallykathycom and that needs some work, but you're welcome to go there and I still do some blog posts. I'm working on growing that, but mostly Facebook. You can always message.
Speaker 3:I usually respond within 24 hours and pretty much consistent on there pretty often, so that's a great way to reach out to me. Oh, excellent, and we're going to be posting this all on our Divas at Care assistant on there pretty often, so that's a great way to reach out to me. Excellent, and we're going to be posting this all on our Divas that Care Facebook page also. And if you're part of the Changemakers Cafe, we usually post in there also. So, thank you, this was fantastic, kathy. I just want to say do you have any last-minute tips or tools, anything else that you'd like to share with our listeners today?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I just love you all. You know, even though we haven't met you, I just feel such a connection and know that breathe into whatever it is and lean into whatever it is that seems like it's challenging you, because there's always something beautiful on the other side of that and if you're willing to sit with it and have an open dialogue with yourself, then that's where miracles and life changes can happen. And it's actually much easier than we think it is, because our heart wants to talk to us and wants to communicate and wants to heal.
Speaker 3:Wow, thank you so much, kathy. That is beautiful and you know I really appreciate you being our guest today. You had some absolutely inspirational moments there and you know I definitely, for all of our listeners out there, make sure because all of our calls are recorded make sure you take this call and send it to your family and friends. There is a lot of inspiration in this show. Kathy's got a lot of tips that she's obviously shared throughout this and a beautiful story, so I want you to make sure that you send it on to all of them today. Kathy, thank you so much for being my guest. I love it.
Speaker 3:I hope that you do come back on the show again and when you've got some other things happening, definitely come back and share with all of our listeners.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would love that. Thank you so much. This has been so fun. I love connecting. It's beautiful.
Speaker 3:It was great. I really loved it, and so we're going to be posting. As I was saying, we're going to be posting all this information on the Divas that Care on Facebook page and on our website at DivasThatCarecom, so make sure that you check it out and send the link on to all your friends and family. So I hope every one of you has a fantastic day and that you pay it forward. So until next time, take care everybody. Bye-bye.
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